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Please DON'T! <br>
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Remember how many time's you've gone looking for an extra bit here
or there. There's a distinction between t and T, so why not a
distinction between OFF and off and k/m vs K/M? <br>
<br>
If there's case sensitivity on the first letters, and on MHz (and
probably rx), then there should be case sensitivity throughout the
specification for consistency, IMHO. It's a SPECIFICATION, not a
HACK.<br>
<br>
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32<br>
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On 5/8/2012 1:32 PM, Bob Bruninga wrote:
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intent was to key on the case of the first letter. I can
clarify that in the spec.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lynn
W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Stordahl, AE5E; TAPR APRS Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] FREQ Object radio issues
(b)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spec says "Toff", not "TOFF", for a wide
repeater (toff would be narrow). Yes, the devil is in the
details.<br>
<br>
And the jury is still out as to whether or not Yaeus's APRS
radios are able to tune to frequency objects without the
frequency in the comments, so if you set these up, have a
Yaesu owner give them a QSY test (note that it is also my
understanding that the FTM-350 must be in VFO mode for the
QSY/Tune function to work).<br>
<br>
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32<br>
<br>
PS. Thanks for posting these because I wasn't flagging the OFF
as non-compliant in APRSISCE/32. It will in the next
development release.<br>
<br>
On 5/8/2012 1:00 PM, Ron Stordahl, AE5E wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">I started all
this ruckus on April 26 when I raised the issue of proper
format to set up a D710A one button QSY. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Based upon all
the discussion I am returning to essentially my original
proposal to send:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">;146.85TRF*111111z4804.29N/09606.79WrTOFF
-060 R30m<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">;444.80TRF*111111z4807.60N/09610.63WrT156
+500 R15m<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Correct me if
I am wrong but I believe this complies with the
specification. I realize including the offset on VHF is
not necessary, but it gives me some satisfaction from the
point of consistency to do so and makes it more
understandable to the human reader. Additionally one of
our VHF repeaters on 147.00 has a non standard -600KHz
shift when the standard is +600KHz, thus at least for that
one -060 is required. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">I have just
completed setting up these objects for 12 area repeaters,
scattered over about 125 miles in NorthWestern Minnesota
served by 8 APRS digipeaters. Thankfully they are
remotely programmable and can be reached from my central
location directly or by up to 2 hops. When remote
programming is no longer possible, when these MFJ1270C's
UIDIGI-ROM's die, I am finished as well!<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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Bob Bruninga <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu"><bruninga@usna.edu></a><br>
<b>To:</b> 'TAPR APRS Mailing List' <a
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:54 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [aprssig] FREQ Object radio
issues (b)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Here are some more notes I have found on some known
problems:<br>
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Use of the "xyz" in the OBJECT NAME: <br>
<br>
> FFF.FF0xy object is OK and QSY is OK<br>
> FFF.FF5xy object is OK and QSY is OK<br>
> FFF.FFxyz object will not QSY in early D710
models. Now fixed.<br>
<br>
> FFF.FFxyz objects of any format will not QSY
the FTM-350 (confirm?)<br>
<br>
Extra "0" on end of the +xxx or -xxx OFFSET format.
The THD72 will accept<br>
extra characters after the required +xxx or -xxx.
These will all give the<br>
proper offset:<br>
<br>
> 440.000MHz tOFF +500 Bob's radio <br>
> 440.000MHz tOFF +5000 Bob's radio <br>
> 440.000MHz tOFF +5000Bob's radio<br>
> 440.000MHz tOFF +5000000 Bob's radio<br>
> 440.000MHz tOFF +500Bob's radio<br>
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BUT SHOULD N OT BE USED until confirmed all existing
radios can tolerate it.<br>
This was a proposed backwards-compatible future fix
to making the offset<br>
more human readable, because then we could recommend
the use of +5000<br>
instead of the +500. But this CANNOT BE USED until
we have surveyed all<br>
radios to see if ALL radios can properly set the
offset if the additional<br>
"0" is included. Or all radios are upgraded to do
so<br>
<br>
Here are some other known issues for the
Compatibility table of position<br>
Comments:<br>
<br>
Leading space: (required, required-not, don't care)
- (Y, N, X)<br>
<br>
Xmits space: (Transmits leading space) - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Requires "MHz": (Requires mixed case, allows any
case) - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Requires "MHz_": (Requires trailing space) - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Xmits MHz_: (Transmits trailing space) - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Responds to +xxx and -xxx offsets - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Transmits offsets +xxx and -xxx - (Y, N)<br>
<br>
Allows extra trailing zero so that +600 works, where
only +60 is IAW spec -<br>
(Y, N)<br>
<br>
<br>
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