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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#1E66AE" vlink="#1E66AE"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi All, I posted this on the Garmin Rino Yahoo Group and Bob Bruninga suggested I also post it here. Thanks for your help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anthony Mascola<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>KJ6OKV-7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com">garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com">mailto:garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>a_mascola<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com">garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [garmin-rino] Track Rinos in field, display data on Windows Laptop, hopefully merge with APRS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi All,<br>I am a physician and volunteer for the scouts as well as for our neighborhood Community Emergency Response Team (CERT). I hope to establish a base station on a Windows PC that can receive and display the location and message packets exchanged with Garmin Rino radios deployed in the field and update these on a moving map tactical display as new information is received from the Rinos. Ideally this software program could integrate packets also from Automatic Packet Reporting System (APRS) enabled amateur radio stations as well. I hope to use the application for coordination of scouting activities in the backcountry as well as CERT search and rescue operations where a cellular grid may not always be available. It would be great to include position data for each party member using whatever hardware is capable of sending this information including cellular data when available given the largest number of users with this hardware. Ideally a user could have an identifier and if the cell grid went down use GMRS or amateur radio as a backup. I would hope to be able to see the position of each member of the party on a more detailed map with better data entry options than the small display of the rino to allow for more efficient communication. I currently own two Rino 530HCx models and two 530's as well as a Kenwood TH-D72A and Kenwood TM-D710 which have terminal node controllers that allow for use with the Automatic Packet Radio System. I have found Bob Bruninga's APRS to be a brilliant example of ingenuity. I am hoping though to include exchange of data with a broader variety of hardware given that I am interfacing with many persons with a variety of technical backgrounds and equipment in these activities.<br><br>While I am an amateur radio operator active in ARES/RACES and CERT search and rescue, I have found that the Rino and GMRS radios have an important role to play. The position polling available with the Rino has significant advantages in that the barriers to licensing are less and the interface is more approachable for those with limited technical backgrounds. For the scouts and my CERT team there are only a few licensed amateurs with the training or equipment to conduct an all APRS coordination system. It is unfortunately not realistic to be able to have each cub scout become ham licensed and equipped with an APRS communication device nor to have each homeowner in the neighborhood with CERT so prepared and equipped as I find that we are lucky to get a few dedicated volunteers and must use whatever resources we have available. Nonetheless the need for coordination of large numbers of people remains, hence I am reinvestigating the use of the Rino and GMRS. It would be ideal if there were a single piece of software that had a reasonably user friendly interface that could merge position and messaging capability from mobile phones, GMRS devices, APRS stations etc... to enable a more effective communications infrastructure for those who must coordinate group activities in the outdoors. I know this is a stretch but the public health benefits in both coordinating disaster response, search and rescue and preventing lost or missing persons would seem to warrant the effort.<br><br>I am surprised that there are not more software programs developed for the Rino at the very least given the obvious tactical benefits that would occur in coordinating outdoor and search and rescue activities. I have tried Garmin BaseCamp, MapSource but they do not have an option to create a "moving map" or to refresh the screen with new data from a Rino attached with a USB cable to the computer unless I manually unplug and replug the USB cable connecting the device to the laptop. They also do not have the ability to incorporate APRS data. I have contacted Garmin several times but they inform me they have nothing which can coordinate the Rino data on a laptop display. I have tried some of the older Garmin products that are no longer supported such as nroute. This has a moving map but does not appear to see the contacts waypoints on the Rino or display them or to be able to update them as new information is received. It also lacks APRS ability.<br><br>I have found older references online to an APRS (Automatic Packet Radio System) program called Xastir which appears to be able to incorporate polling on the Garmin Rino, merging amateur radio packets with Rino position data on the display and appears to offer a fairly robust number of options. It appears however to be a fairly complex installation on Windows and to require a fair bit of technical background. I regret that I have limited technical experience and time resources given my primary work as a physician in an academic medical center which makes this option appear a bit daunting as I have not worked with linux before and have only a bit of time here and there to work on this project. I will be probably stumbling through this over the next several months unless I can find something a little easier to use.<br><br>I have written to another developer called OziExplorer which may have similar functionality with an add on called OziAPRS and am awaiting their response as the installation and user interface appears a little more friendly to someone with limited technical experience. <br><br>I am hoping that others have an interest in tracking and coordinating the activities of their parties in the field using the Rino and I am hoping that some have navigated and solved these problems before. Any suggestions?<br><br>Anthony Mascola<br>amateur: KJ6OKV<br>GMRS: WQNC420<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'>__._,_.___<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:7.5pt' id=ygrp-actbar><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#666666'><a href="mailto:amascola@stanford.edu?subject=Re%3A%20Track%20Rinos%20in%20field%2C%20display%20data%20on%20Windows%20Laptop%2C%20hopefully%20merge%20with%20APRS">Reply to <b>sender</b></a> | <a href="mailto:garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Track%20Rinos%20in%20field%2C%20display%20data%20on%20Windows%20Laptop%2C%20hopefully%20merge%20with%20APRS">Reply to <b>group</b></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdDZvdThoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzI3NTkxNzAw?act=reply&messageNum=3975">Reply <b>via web post</b></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNTNtcmRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMyNzU5MTcwMA--"><b>Start a New Topic</b></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#666666'><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/message/3975;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmVmZ3RnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzI3NTkxNzAwBHRwY0lkAzM5NzU-">Messages in this topic</a> (<b>1</b>) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:7.5pt' id=ygrp-vital><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E0ECEE'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333;text-transform:uppercase'>Recent Activity:</span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in 4.0pt 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:#E0ECEE'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span class=cat><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNGVobGlnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEzMjc1OTE3MDA-?o=6"><span style='text-decoration:none'>New Members</span></a></span></b></span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <span class=ct><span style='color:#FF7900'>4</span></span> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E0ECEE'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1E66AE'><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZThoa3RtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNzU5MTcwMA--"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Visit Your Group</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-top:3.75pt' id=ft><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN29zdjZmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1NzkyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1Nzg2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzI3NTkxNzAw"><span style='color:blue;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=137 height=15 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" alt="Yahoo! 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