Hi Lynn,<br><br>More, below...<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ldeffenb@homeside.to">ldeffenb@homeside.to</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Anything more than an hour away will have to get converted to a specific time anyway, and written down, otherwise it will get forgotten or mis-remembered. <br>
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Then just query again when you think you've got the time. Remember, this is for CASUAL satellite pursuit. (3 hours from now, I'll not be anywhere near the radio). If you mis-remember a future pass time, oh well. If you happen to recall it later (didn't that say somewhere around NOW), send another query.<br>
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I'm not sure how it would fit, but knowing the date as well as the time would be good, given that a suggested near-GEO satellite could have passes lasting more than a day, and not repeating for more than a day. <br>
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Delta times remain short. They reference NOW and the whole service is intended to be immediate, not future. Why do people text so much? They like the immediate feedback. Yes, serious satellite workers plan hours (days? weeks?) into the future to catch that "perfect" pass. This isn't intended for them. It's intended for quick pertinent information for NOW and hints into the future.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>The inclusion of the date along with the time is not so important now, because of the sorts of sats we currently have up there. Mostly the suggestion is preparing for the future, though even now it's a help in reducing confusion.<br>
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Hmmm, LOS in 507min is kind of meaningless too. Maybe LOS in 8h27m if it's longer than an hour away?<br>
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Expect the delta time format to transform when I have a moment (or maybe 6m29s) available. That's a suggestion I can agree with.<br></blockquote><div><br>
:-) Again, resolution to Seconds is not generally important or
useful. I'd rather have a clearer message than a more precise one.
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Don't forget about the max elevation for the pass. <br>
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It's already there. You haven't queried recently, have you?<br></blockquote><div><br>Just tried it again. Thanks!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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...especially if the Az of that max elevation is also given. "10 degree pass behind that big hill over there to the East..." Yeah, skip it.<br>
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Considering the azimuth along with the MaxEl for future passes and possibly a heading (4 or 8 compass points in characters) within a pass. I'm finally hearing the INFORMATION that would be useful instead of PRESENTATION critiques.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>8 points is usable, though a real Az is more consistent (El is in degrees too). 4 points is a little too blunt. And, Bob has a good suggestion too, to indicate whether the pass is North or South headed. Depending on where you live, some satellites (ISS notably) are pretty deterministic in the shape of their passes, but the general case is useful. The polar orbit sats can go N->S or S->N and have the same MaxEL and AZ. You need to remember whether they're an AM or PM North-heading bird, and what time it is, and now you're having to think too much.<br>
<br>One last comment on the PRESENTATION thing. It's important, once the basics are in place, because that's what sets the really great and usable applications apart from the not-so great. I switched to APRSIS from Xastir for my 24x7 iGate in no small part because of that. Bob is the genius for making insanely creative things out of bits and pieces one would never have thought to use in that way, but he often has to resort to nearly incomprehensible display methods for his input and/or output. (Not his fault, sometimes the bits just don't exist.) Your gift is to take the complicated stuff and make it easy to use, and "just work". Don't give up on us now.<br>
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I like the idea of asking what satellites are coming up next, but prefer that to be the default if the message is empty. Otherwise, the message would have a command and a satellite name, say "PASS satellite, satellite...", leaving open other commands, perhaps for MODE, FREQ, or other things that can be predicted based on the satellite, time of day, and your location.<br>
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Non-satellite-directed queries (SATS or SATSRV) are further out in the future, maybe 7d13h or so... (but that's just a delta estimate).<br></blockquote><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32<br>
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