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<DIV>Yaesu already has, not sure of the others.</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">73,<BR><BR>Scott
KBØNLY<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dnchls@gmail.com
href="mailto:dnchls@gmail.com">David Nichols</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=aprssig@tapr.org href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">'TAPR
APRS Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aprssig] [These] Mobile Digipeating</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Is
anyone aware of plans to integrate a gps into a mobile transceiver (Yaesu or
Kenwwod) in the not too distant future?.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
aprssig-bounces@tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Earl Needham<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> TAPR APRS Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aprssig] [These]
Mobile Digipeating<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Appears my attribution may have
been incorrect -- at this point, I don't know WHO stated "repeating is
repeating".<BR><BR>7 3<BR>Earl<BR>KD5XB<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Earl Needham <<A
href="mailto:earl.kd5xb@gmail.com">earl.kd5xb@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Negative, Doc. See <A
href="http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-clarifies-what-constitutes-an-amateur-radio-repeater"
target=_blank>http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-clarifies-what-constitutes-an-amateur-radio-repeater</A>
<BR><BR>"03/23/2009 <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>'In December 2007, Gary Mitchell, WB6YRU, President of the Northern
California Packet Association (<A href="http://www.n0ary.org/ncpa/"
target=_blank>NCPA</A>), filed a Petition with the FCC, asking for the
Commission to clarify the definition of a repeater. According to <A
href="http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.3.pdf"
target=_blank>Part 97, Section 3(a)(39)</A>, A repeater in the amateur service
is "[a]n amateur station that simultaneously retransmits the transmission of
another amateur station on a different channel or channels."<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>'Mitchell sought clarification on the word "simultaneously," asking if it
referred to the signal information being retransmitted, or to the fact that the
receiver and transmitter must both be active at the same time while acting on
the same signal information. On March 23, 2009, the Commission clarified that
even if there is a slight delay between what is received and what it transmits
(as in the case of D-STAR and other digital repeaters), it is considered
simultaneous if the receiver and transmitter are both active at the same
time."<o:p></o:p></P>
<P><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P>Vy 7 3<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Earl<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>KD5XB<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Dr. John <<A
href="mailto:w3ate@earthlink.net" target=_blank>w3ate@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Lynn,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Repeating
is repeating either simples or duel.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The FCC,
stated clearly states this.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The only
unit's that are repeaters and in mobile mode are as example mini repeaters in
police cars, like the state police used when they enter a facility and in remote
areas.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Theses</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> units were made by Midland and some
other companies. But they were registered.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">John
W3ATE-8</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=dnchls@gmail.com href="mailto:dnchls@gmail.com" target=_blank>David
Nichols</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, September
19, 2011 10:32 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=aprssig@tapr.org href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" target=_blank>'TAPR APRS
Mailing List'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [aprssig]
Mobile Digipeating<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">All of this brings
up another issue. From the little I’ve been able to gather about mobile
digipeating, and I agree with the statement below ( I believe temporary
re-locatable is a better term), it is for temporary emergency use. If this is
correct, what constitutes “emergency”. Could I justify using it as described for
practice purposes? I practice, on the average, twice a week, for 1-2 hours. I
would hate for my next posting to you folks to be from Leavenworth after my
first digipeating session </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">. Or for that matter, would I be getting
nasty-grams from the APRS community? Otherwise, I think this might fit my needs.
I could also use it on actual searches, especially if I drive a ways from
Incident Base to the subject’s place last seen, which has been the case several
times.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">dave</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">N5FMA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org"
target=_blank>aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org"
target=_blank>aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim
Alles<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:52 AM<BR><B>To:</B> TAPR
APRS Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aprssig] Mobile
Digipeating</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>Besides, we really aren't talking about mobile
digipeating. That is not recommended for APRS, either.
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>I would call it a re-locatable digipeater, others might use the
term portable. It is temporary, fixed use.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>Peace,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>Jim A. KB3TBX<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <<A
href="mailto:ldeffenb@homeside.to" target=_blank>ldeffenb@homeside.to</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>A digipeater is not a dual-frequency repeater, but a receive and
re-transmit on a single frequency. There is no pre-registration required
in the United States that I'm aware of.<BR><BR>Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of
APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>On 9/17/2011 8:32 AM, Dr. John wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal>Mobile
repeaters in the amateur environment is not authorized. As repeaters need to be
registered at a fixed position<BR><BR>Dr. John Gregory
/W3ATE-8<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From: "Tom
Russo" <<A href="mailto:russo@bogodyn.org"
target=_blank>russo@bogodyn.org</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011
1:02 AM<BR>To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org"
target=_blank>aprssig@tapr.org</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [aprssig] Mobile
Digipeating<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:34:30PM -0600, we recorded a
bogon-computron collision of the <<A href="mailto:dnchls@gmail.com"
target=_blank>dnchls@gmail.com</A>> flavor, containing:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>I am in search and rescue and use APRS so others can keep track
of me.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><BR>You're in good company.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>I<BR>live in New Mexico where we have many digipeaters on
mountain tops, but we<BR>still have many dead zones.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><BR>I've been watching your tracks. I'm not sure the dead
zones are as dead as<BR>all that. Still, there are some notable places
where there are searches and<BR>that have spots where you can't be
heard.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>I have a YAESU VX-8DR ht that I carry with me<BR>both when
practicing and on actual searches. I am considering buying a<BR>Kenwood
TM-D710A. I would like to use the 710 in my mobile as a digipeater<BR>to either
get back to search base on a search or to a mountain digi when I'm<BR>practicing
so my family can know where I'm at on APRS.fi. I would typically<BR>be within a
couple of miles from my truck when I transmitted an APRS signal<BR>from my ht.
How much power does the 710 transmit when in digipeater mode?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal><BR>It
transmits with the same power that you have set for its own
APRS<BR>transmissions.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>Would this be a situation where using a mobile would be useful?
Presently,<BR>it just doesn't seem I have the punch I need when using the
ht.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal><BR>It
would help if your truck is generally within range of your handheld,
the<BR>truck is in a good place where it is getting digipeated, and you don't
have<BR>terrain in between you and the truck that prevents the truck from
hearing you.<BR><BR>In this case you could use your truck's callsign as the
first hop in your<BR>digi path, and WIDE2-2 next in the path. That'd let
your truck beacon you<BR>with more ooomph.<BR><BR>The downside of this is that
if you wind up in a spot where your truck's<BR>radio can't hear you, you won't
get anywhere even if a WIDE can hear you,<BR>because they won't premptively
digipeat before your truck.<BR><BR>It's unfortunate that Yaesu chose not to
implement "Proportional Pathing" in the<BR>VX-8*R series radios. The VX-8R
lets you set 8 paths, but rather than<BR>cycling through them, it simply
concatenates them for every transmission. I'm<BR>unfamiliar with the VX-8DR,
maybe it does have proportional pathing. With<BR>proportional pathing, you
can set multiple digi paths, but rather than using<BR>them all at once, it
cycles through them for each transmission. Then you<BR>could have
"TRUCK,WIDE2-2" for every third transmission,<BR>"WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2" for every
third transmission, and "WIDE2-2" for every third.<BR>That would take care of
making sure that at least SOME of your packets get<BR>to a wide digi --- either
directly, or through your truck, or through a fill-in.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately, the people I know both in SAR and amateur radio
have never<BR>played with mobile digipeaters and are pretty clueless on the
matter.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><BR>Clueless? I don't think that's a fair
statement.<BR><BR>To date, most SAR activities in the state have managed without
pressing need<BR>for mobile digis. NM SAR Support's comms trailer does
have a TNC programmed<BR>to digi WIDE1-1, so if your path is WIDE1-1, WIDE2-2
(which is OK in NM for<BR>low-powered stations and ONLY low-powered stations...
there was a big<BR>discussion on that subject recently, and you should check the
archives<BR>about it, I won't open that can of worms again), then the comms
trailer in<BR>base will serve as a fill-in digi if needed. We also have a
portable digi we<BR>can place in the search area when necessary. It is
rarely necessary, but it<BR>does get deployed now and then.<BR><BR>You should
also set your D710 to do TEMPn-N digipeating, but I'm sure<BR>Bob B. will pipe
in here quickly about that one. Right now, very few people<BR>in the SAR
community have their radios set up for it, so counting on the<BR>availability of
TEMPn-N on searches is not a safe bet just yet. But if you<BR>set your own
truck to do TEMPn-N, then when you know you aren't reaching<BR>a wide with your
handheld on a search, and you know you can hear your truck,<BR>you can tinker
with your path to use TEMPn-N for a while to be sure of getting<BR>out.
You'd use "TEMP1-1,WIDE2-2" in that case, and as long as your truck<BR>can hear
you you're good.<BR><BR>One thing you should NOT do is set your truck to
digipeat WIDEn-N as if it<BR>were permanent infrastructure. Some folks in
NMSAR did do that for a while<BR>and it was a terrible mistake --- it meant that
ALL traffic heard by the<BR>incident comms trailer was getting digipeated if it
had any wide hops left.<BR>That meant the APRS radio in the trailer was
transmitting all the time, and<BR>desensing lots of nearby voice radios every
few seconds.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Tom Russo KM5VY
SAR502 DM64ux
<A href="http://www.swcp.com/%7Erusso/"
target=_blank>http://www.swcp.com/~russo/</A><BR>Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592
K2#398 SOC#236 <A href="http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM"
target=_blank>http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM</A><BR>"One man alone can be
pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide<BR>stupidity, there ain't nothin'
can beat teamwork." - Edward
Abbey<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>aprssig
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