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Well, maybe in the negative future?<br>
<br>
Check into the Yaesu FTM-350 mobile and VX-8R HT along with the
Kenwood D72 HT.<br>
<br>
Just be aware that the Yaesu's are closed systems. You can't access
the APRS information in them nor transmit through them without
adding a traditional external TNC.<br>
<br>
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32<br>
<br>
On 9/20/2011 11:15 PM, David Nichols wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Is anyone aware of plans to integrate a gps into
a mobile transceiver (Yaesu or Kenwwod) in the not too
distant future?.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
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"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org">mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Earl Needham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> TAPR APRS Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] [These] Mobile Digipeating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Appears my
attribution may have been incorrect -- at this point, I don't
know WHO stated "repeating is repeating".<br>
<br>
7 3<br>
Earl<br>
KD5XB<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Earl
Needham <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:earl.kd5xb@gmail.com">earl.kd5xb@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Negative, Doc. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-clarifies-what-constitutes-an-amateur-radio-repeater"
target="_blank">http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-clarifies-what-constitutes-an-amateur-radio-repeater</a>
<br>
<br>
"03/23/2009 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>'In December 2007, Gary Mitchell, WB6YRU, President of the
Northern California Packet Association (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.n0ary.org/ncpa/"
target="_blank">NCPA</a>), filed a Petition with the FCC,
asking for the Commission to clarify the definition of a
repeater. According to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.3.pdf"
target="_blank">Part 97, Section 3(a)(39)</a>, A repeater
in the amateur service is "[a]n amateur station that
simultaneously retransmits the transmission of another
amateur station on a different channel or channels."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>'Mitchell sought clarification on the word
"simultaneously," asking if it referred to the signal
information being retransmitted, or to the fact that the
receiver and transmitter must both be active at the same
time while acting on the same signal information. On March
23, 2009, the Commission clarified that even if there is a
slight delay between what is received and what it transmits
(as in the case of D-STAR and other digital repeaters), it
is considered simultaneous if the receiver and transmitter
are both active at the same time."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Vy 7 3<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Earl<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>KD5XB<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:05 AM,
Dr. John <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:w3ate@earthlink.net" target="_blank">w3ate@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">Lynn,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">Repeating
is repeating either simples or duel.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">The
FCC, stated clearly states this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">The
only unit's that are repeaters and in mobile
mode are as example mini repeaters in police
cars, like the state police used when they
enter a facility and in remote areas.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Theses</span><span
style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">
units were made by Midland and some other
companies. But they were registered.</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";">John
W3ATE-8</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: none
repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dnchls@gmail.com"
target="_blank" title="dnchls@gmail.com">David
Nichols</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: none
repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
Monday, September 19, 2011 10:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: none
repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org"
target="_blank"
title="aprssig@tapr.org">'TAPR APRS
Mailing List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background: none
repeat scroll 0% 0% whitesmoke;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
Re: [aprssig] Mobile Digipeating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">All of this brings up another issue.
From the little I’ve been able to gather
about mobile digipeating, and I agree with
the statement below ( I believe temporary
re-locatable is a better term), it is for
temporary emergency use. If this is correct,
what constitutes “emergency”. Could I
justify using it as described for practice
purposes? I practice, on the average, twice
a week, for 1-2 hours. I would hate for my
next posting to you folks to be from
Leavenworth after my first digipeating
session </span><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">J</span><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">. Or for
that matter, would I be getting nasty-grams
from the APRS community? Otherwise, I think
this might fit my needs. I could also use it
on actual searches, especially if I drive a
ways from Incident Base to the subject’s
place last seen, which has been the case
several times.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">N5FMA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org"
target="_blank">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org"
target="_blank">aprssig-bounces@tapr.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Alles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011
9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> TAPR APRS Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] Mobile
Digipeating</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Besides, we
really aren't talking about mobile
digipeating. That is not recommended for
APRS, either. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">I would call it
a re-locatable digipeater, others might use
the term portable. It is temporary, fixed
use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Peace,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Jim A. KB3TBX<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Sat, Sep 17,
2011 at 8:53 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ldeffenb@homeside.to"
target="_blank">ldeffenb@homeside.to</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">A digipeater is
not a dual-frequency repeater, but a receive
and re-transmit on a single frequency.
There is no pre-registration required in
the United States that I'm aware of.<br>
<br>
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for
Windows Mobile and Win32 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br>
<br>
On 9/17/2011 8:32 AM, Dr. John wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;">Mobile repeaters in the amateur
environment is not authorized. As
repeaters need to be registered at a
fixed position<br>
<br>
Dr. John Gregory /W3ATE-8<br>
<br>
--------------------------------------------------<br>
From: "Tom Russo" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:russo@bogodyn.org"
target="_blank">russo@bogodyn.org</a>><br>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:02
AM<br>
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org"
target="_blank">aprssig@tapr.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Mobile
Digipeating<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Fri, Sep
16, 2011 at 10:34:30PM -0600, we
recorded a bogon-computron collision of
the <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dnchls@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dnchls@gmail.com</a>>
flavor, containing:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">I am in
search and rescue and use APRS so others
can keep track of me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;"><br>
You're in good company.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">I<br>
live in New Mexico where we have many
digipeaters on mountain tops, but we<br>
still have many dead zones.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;"><br>
I've been watching your tracks. I'm not
sure the dead zones are as dead as<br>
all that. Still, there are some notable
places where there are searches and<br>
that have spots where you can't be
heard.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">I have a
YAESU VX-8DR ht that I carry with me<br>
both when practicing and on actual
searches. I am considering buying a<br>
Kenwood TM-D710A. I would like to use
the 710 in my mobile as a digipeater<br>
to either get back to search base on a
search or to a mountain digi when I'm<br>
practicing so my family can know where
I'm at on APRS.fi. I would typically<br>
be within a couple of miles from my
truck when I transmitted an APRS signal<br>
from my ht. How much power does the 710
transmit when in digipeater mode?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;"><br>
It transmits with the same power that
you have set for its own APRS<br>
transmissions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Would this
be a situation where using a mobile
would be useful? Presently,<br>
it just doesn't seem I have the punch I
need when using the ht.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
12pt;"><br>
It would help if your truck is generally
within range of your handheld, the<br>
truck is in a good place where it is
getting digipeated, and you don't have<br>
terrain in between you and the truck
that prevents the truck from hearing
you.<br>
<br>
In this case you could use your truck's
callsign as the first hop in your<br>
digi path, and WIDE2-2 next in the path.
That'd let your truck beacon you<br>
with more ooomph.<br>
<br>
The downside of this is that if you wind
up in a spot where your truck's<br>
radio can't hear you, you won't get
anywhere even if a WIDE can hear you,<br>
because they won't premptively digipeat
before your truck.<br>
<br>
It's unfortunate that Yaesu chose not to
implement "Proportional Pathing" in the<br>
VX-8*R series radios. The VX-8R lets
you set 8 paths, but rather than<br>
cycling through them, it simply
concatenates them for every
transmission. I'm<br>
unfamiliar with the VX-8DR, maybe it
does have proportional pathing. With<br>
proportional pathing, you can set
multiple digi paths, but rather than
using<br>
them all at once, it cycles through them
for each transmission. Then you<br>
could have "TRUCK,WIDE2-2" for every
third transmission,<br>
"WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2" for every third
transmission, and "WIDE2-2" for every
third.<br>
That would take care of making sure that
at least SOME of your packets get<br>
to a wide digi --- either directly, or
through your truck, or through a
fill-in.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Unfortunately,
the people I know both in SAR and
amateur radio have never<br>
played with mobile digipeaters and are
pretty clueless on the matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br>
Clueless? I don't think that's a fair
statement.<br>
<br>
To date, most SAR activities in the
state have managed without pressing need<br>
for mobile digis. NM SAR Support's
comms trailer does have a TNC programmed<br>
to digi WIDE1-1, so if your path is
WIDE1-1, WIDE2-2 (which is OK in NM for<br>
low-powered stations and ONLY
low-powered stations... there was a big<br>
discussion on that subject recently, and
you should check the archives<br>
about it, I won't open that can of worms
again), then the comms trailer in<br>
base will serve as a fill-in digi if
needed. We also have a portable digi we<br>
can place in the search area when
necessary. It is rarely necessary, but
it<br>
does get deployed now and then.<br>
<br>
You should also set your D710 to do
TEMPn-N digipeating, but I'm sure<br>
Bob B. will pipe in here quickly about
that one. Right now, very few people<br>
in the SAR community have their radios
set up for it, so counting on the<br>
availability of TEMPn-N on searches is
not a safe bet just yet. But if you<br>
set your own truck to do TEMPn-N, then
when you know you aren't reaching<br>
a wide with your handheld on a search,
and you know you can hear your truck,<br>
you can tinker with your path to use
TEMPn-N for a while to be sure of
getting<br>
out. You'd use "TEMP1-1,WIDE2-2" in
that case, and as long as your truck<br>
can hear you you're good.<br>
<br>
One thing you should NOT do is set your
truck to digipeat WIDEn-N as if it<br>
were permanent infrastructure. Some
folks in NMSAR did do that for a while<br>
and it was a terrible mistake --- it
meant that ALL traffic heard by the<br>
incident comms trailer was getting
digipeated if it had any wide hops left.<br>
That meant the APRS radio in the trailer
was transmitting all the time, and<br>
desensing lots of nearby voice radios
every few seconds.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Tom Russo KM5VY SAR502 DM64ux
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">http://www.swcp.com/~russo/</a><br>
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"One man alone can be pretty dumb
sometimes, but for real bona fide<br>
stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat
teamwork." - Edward Abbey<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org" target="_blank">aprssig@tapr.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig"
target="_blank">https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig">https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig</a>
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