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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:3.0pt;margin-right:6.0pt'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I had a new KPC3+ with the current ROM , in the KISS mode thru UI-View running a IGATE.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was having the same "issues" of echoing late station locations. I rebooted every week to help prevent the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The APRS police was on my so heavy, I removed the KPC3+ that I had just paid $200 for and replaced it with a<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Argent OT-2m TNC and have not had a complaint since.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you GOOGLE UI-VIEW and KPC-3+ you will see truckloads of messages about talking to Kantronics, and they saying they have<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>never heard of the problem, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>KQ4KK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> aprssig-bounces@tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@tapr.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> aprssig@tapr.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [aprssig] KPC3+ issues<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="100%" style='width:100.0%;padding:1.2pt 1.2pt 1.2pt 1.2pt'><div id="INCREDI_TEXT_AREA"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> If what is being stated here is correct, has any one contacted Kantronics <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>and mentioned it to them that the KPC3+ has this problem with some test results .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>If so what was Kantronics reply..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Surely there are truckloads of these KPC3+s out there and if they are causing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>these delays within the APRS network Kantronics would want to investigate the problem surely !<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Is it hardware or firmware ? can any one confirm ..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Is there any one on here testing the KPC3+ to see what / why etc this is happening ??<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>We are lucky there are not to many of these in ZL with the APRS network .. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>73 Phillip<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>ZL2TZE <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> I have seen the KPC-3+/KISS issue discussed several times on multiple APRS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> mailing lists, but my best reference is the direct experience of Richard<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Sharp (KQ4KX) who maintains the WC4PEM digi/IGate network in Polk County<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> here in Florida. WC4PEM is a KPC-3+ running in KISS mode and if he doesn't<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> reboot the TNC every week or so (sooner if APRS traffic gets heavy), it<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> begins introducing delayed packets into the APRS-IS network. The easiest<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> way to see this is on packets that include a timestamp. The packet will<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> appear once via some other IGate and then again via WC4PEM with a 1-5 minute<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> (yes, it has been up to 5 minutes) delay. The problem is only known to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> exist in KPC-3+, the non-plus and other Kantronics units do not seem to have<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> the issue.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 13:30, Keith VE7GDH <<a href="mailto:ve7gdh@rac.ca">ve7gdh@rac.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Wes AI4PX<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Please tell me more about the delays. Do they just affect KISS mode?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> After running KISS mode for about a week or two, the KPC3+ starts<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> introducing delays. I've observed it in UI-View and a friend has seen it<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> in Xastir. I don't know who started the rumour that it was a "UI-View<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> problem" but that person was incorrect... and likely not a UI-View user.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Do they affect in-tnc digipeating?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> I have a KPC3+ based digi running for several years, and I've never<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> observed<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> any delays in anything that it digipeats. If the frequency is quiet, it<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> digipeats<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> what it is supposed to right away.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Do they affect CONVerse mode?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> Sorry, except for playing around with it the odd time, I haven't used<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> CONVerse mode for years.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> This could be the delay issue we've been chasing for years.... the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>>> issue that I've thought was UI-View all this time! Could it be???<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> I haven't heard any evidence to point the finger at UI-View. I know<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> there are a few digis and IGates in the Puget Sound (Seattle) area<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> that are sometimes involved with delayed packets, and sometimes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> some IGates in the Vancouver (BC) area. Unless you are watching on<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> RF, it's difficult to prove that a digi was involved. Only occasionally<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> can it be proved that a digi was responsible, but if one was using<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> squelched audio and the squelch was set too loose, it could delay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> digipeating a packet. In many (if not almost all) instances where the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> cause has been pinned down to an IGate, it has been a KPC3+ running<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> in KISS mode at an IGate. I try to be open minded, but if I don't see<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> any shred of evidence of it being a UI-View problem, I'll believe<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> my eyes and see it as a TNC problem. I have a stack of KPC3+, all<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> ver 9.1. I'm actually running one in KISS mode on my IGate now, but<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> only because a KPC3 quit responding. With over half a dozen KPC3+<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> sitting there, I just grabbed one of them... and promptly told UI-View<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> to restart every day. This will take the TNC out of KISS mode and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> put it back in KISS mode when the program starts. It's a work-around<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> to fix a TNC problem, but it's been running at least a month or so like<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> that and I haven't observed any delays.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> If you hear anyone talking about UI-View introducing delays, please<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> ask them to do their homework. They can take my word for it, or they<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> can run their own tests and see it for themselves. If they have another<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> TNC, use it. If the KPC3+ is their only option, it should be restarted<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> periodically. While one could manually tell it "com port none" and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> OK their way out from there, and then tell it the correct com port<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> again, a more foolproof method is to use the Schedule Editor to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> make it automatic and just restart the program every day at 3 am<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> or whatever time of the day there is the least amount of APRS activity.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> You can't be blamed for thinking it was a UI-View problem because<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> it was being parroted on all of the APRS related support lists. I'm<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> not the original person that debunked the issue. Someone on one of the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> support lists that I participated in said that it was the KPC3+ causing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> the delays. I don't really recall if it was the APRS SIG, UI-View support<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> list or the NWAPRS list, but it was probably the latter. I was most likely<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> using a KPCII or a KPC3 at the time. At some point, I changed over to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> a KPC3+ for some reason. One day, I got involved in trying to track<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> down some delayed position reports and observed my own IGate doing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> it. I ran my own tests and observed the problem myself. Not much later,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> an Xastir user within earshot of me ran the same tests. We also did some<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> tests with one of us sending beacons to the other and counting the seconds<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> (or minutes) before the other's KPC3+ spat the packet out to the APRS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> client. We have also both asked the operators of several KPC3+ based<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> IGates to restart the TNC or the program (effectively restarting the TNC)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> and it has solved the problem... for a while.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> 73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> --<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>> "I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></td></tr><tr><td width="100%" style='width:100.0%;padding:1.2pt 1.2pt 1.2pt 1.2pt' id=INCREDIFOOTER><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="100%" style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td><td valign=bottom style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in' id=INCREDISOUND></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.incredimail.com/?id=613056&rui=58529483&sd=20101230"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=580 height=150 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.gif@01CBA778.D51EA2E0" alt="FREE Christmas Animations for your email – by IncrediMail! 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