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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I know</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would just have messaging thats it </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ko6th_greg@hotmail.com href="mailto:ko6th_greg@hotmail.com">Greg
D.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vk4tec@tech-software.net
href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">vk4tec@tech-software.net</A> ; <A
title=ozaprs@aprs.net.au
href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">ozaprs@aprs.net.au</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=aprssig@tapr.org
href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">aprssig@tapr.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [aprssig] [OZAPRS] IGATES in
south east qld Australia</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Andrew,<BR><BR>I wouldn't assume that just because you've
opened the Internet->RF path that you will be sending *all* of the Internet
to RF. My bi-directional iGate only sends a packet maybe every few
minutes, when it's busy, much less when it's not. <BR><BR>It all depends
on what is coming in from RF, which after all, is kind of the point.
APRS is a *lot* more useful when the iGates are bi-directional, and a network
that requires 2-3 hops in order to get to the Internet is not likely to
function well enough to be useful, and therefore not get used for anything
except 1-way tracking.<BR><BR>Greg KO6TH<BR><BR><BR>
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From: vk4tec@tech-software.net<BR>To: vk4tec@tech-software.net;
ozaprs@aprs.net.au<BR>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:21:03 +1000<BR>CC:
aprssig@tapr.org<BR>Subject: Re: [aprssig] [OZAPRS] IGATES in south east qld
Australia<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://aprs.net.au/vhf/australian-vhf-aprs-guidelines">http://aprs.net.au/vhf/australian-vhf-aprs-guidelines</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: larger"><FONT face=Arial><B><FONT
color=#ff0000>DON'T</FONT></B> set your station up as an IGATE (i.e. DO NOT
gate data from the Internet to RF). This will only create traffic loops and
problems on the channel. <BR>If there is no IGate
serving your local area (i.e within 2-3 digipeater hops), or there is no
APRS activity at all where you are, please contact your local region
co-ordinator so we can integrate your area into the network effectively.
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: larger"><BR></SPAN></LI></UL></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=vk4tec@tech-software.net
href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=vk4tec@tech-software.net
href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</A> ; <A
title=ozaprs@aprs.net.au href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian APRS
Users</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Cc:</B>
<A title=aprssig@tapr.org href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">TAPR APRS Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, November 06, 2009 7:02 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [OZAPRS] IGATES in south east qld Australia</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>What you dont
want</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>01. DIGIS beaconing every 5
minutes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>02. INET to RF traffic swamping the
freq</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>03. No INET to RF path (messaging)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>04. Mobiles not being able to get
through</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>05. Mobiles sending at high rates</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>06. Unnecessary geograhically non relavant data
being sent to RF from INET</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>What you do want</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>07. Digis beaconing sensibly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>08. INET to RF kept to a minimum or even just
messaging</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>09. Both ways messaging</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>10. Mobiles have a good chance of getting
through</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>11. Mobiles sending at sensible rates and using
smart digi where possible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>12. Geographically relavent data sent to RF IF
you have to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>At the moment, we have some of 01, 02, some 03,
some of 04, some of 06</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>At the moment, we have some of 07, none of 08,
some of 09, some of 10, some of 11, some of 12</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Remember, not everyone has rx capable
mobiles</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And if the packets are to help people at home,
they should really be using the internet to help with
bandwidth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Conserve the RF spectrum</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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<A title=vk4tec@tech-software.net
href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=ozaprs@aprs.net.au href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian
APRS Users</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Cc:</B>
<A title=aprssig@tapr.org href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">TAPR APRS Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, November 06, 2009 6:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[OZAPRS] IGATES in south east qld Australia</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I recently fitted the car with
APRS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am hearing some INET to RF traffic on
145.175 MHz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am hearing almost constant INET to RF
traffic on 439.100 MHz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What I find weird is, most people seem to be
running dumb trackers, ie they can't even RX the packets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My question is, who or what is the INET to RF
supposed to support then ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am not sure everyone is doing both way
gating as well, I tried a few INET to RF messages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Surely you would favour the
mobiles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It makes it really hard to impossible for
mobiles to get out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Can you please look at this
situation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Andrew VK4TEC</FONT></DIV><BR>
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