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Hi Andrew,<br><br>I wouldn't assume that just because you've opened the Internet->RF path that you will be sending *all* of the Internet to RF. My bi-directional iGate only sends a packet maybe every few minutes, when it's busy, much less when it's not. <br><br>It all depends on what is coming in from RF, which after all, is kind of the point. APRS is a *lot* more useful when the iGates are bi-directional, and a network that requires 2-3 hops in order to get to the Internet is not likely to function well enough to be useful, and therefore not get used for anything except 1-way tracking.<br><br>Greg KO6TH<br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: vk4tec@tech-software.net<br>To: vk4tec@tech-software.net; ozaprs@aprs.net.au<br>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:21:03 +1000<br>CC: aprssig@tapr.org<br>Subject: Re: [aprssig] [OZAPRS] IGATES in south east qld Australia<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://aprs.net.au/vhf/australian-vhf-aprs-guidelines">http://aprs.net.au/vhf/australian-vhf-aprs-guidelines</a></font></div>
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<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: larger;"><font face="Arial"><b><font color="#ff0000">DON'T</font></b> set your station up as an IGATE (i.e. DO NOT
gate data from the Internet to RF). This will only create traffic loops and
problems on the channel. <br>If there is no IGate
serving your local area (i.e within 2-3 digipeater hops), or there is no
APRS activity at all where you are, please contact your local region
co-ordinator so we can integrate your area into the network effectively.
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="vk4tec@tech-software.net" href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vk4tec@tech-software.net" href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</a> ; <a title="ozaprs@aprs.net.au" href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian APRS
Users</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="aprssig@tapr.org" href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">TAPR APRS Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 06, 2009 7:02
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OZAPRS] IGATES in south
east qld Australia</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><strong>What you dont want</strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">01. DIGIS beaconing every 5 minutes</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">02. INET to RF traffic swamping the
freq</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">03. No INET to RF path (messaging)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">04. Mobiles not being able to get
through</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">05. Mobiles sending at high rates</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">06. Unnecessary geograhically non relavant data
being sent to RF from INET</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><strong>What you do want</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">07. Digis beaconing sensibly</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">08. INET to RF kept to a minimum or even just
messaging</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">09. Both ways messaging</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">10. Mobiles have a good chance of getting
through</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">11. Mobiles sending at sensible rates and using
smart digi where possible.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">12. Geographically relavent data sent to RF IF
you have to.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">At the moment, we have some of 01, 02, some 03,
some of 04, some of 06</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">At the moment, we have some of 07, none of 08,
some of 09, some of 10, some of 11, some of 12</font></div></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Remember, not everyone has rx capable
mobiles</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">And if the packets are to help people at home,
they should really be using the internet to help with bandwidth.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Conserve the RF spectrum</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="vk4tec@tech-software.net" href="mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net">Andrew Rich</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="ozaprs@aprs.net.au" href="mailto:ozaprs@aprs.net.au">Australian APRS Users</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="aprssig@tapr.org" href="mailto:aprssig@tapr.org">TAPR APRS Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 06, 2009 6:22
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [OZAPRS] IGATES in south east
qld Australia</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I recently fitted the car with
APRS.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am hearing some INET to RF traffic on 145.175
MHz</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am hearing almost constant INET to RF traffic
on 439.100 MHz</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">What I find weird is, most people seem to be
running dumb trackers, ie they can't even RX the packets.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">My question is, who or what is the INET to RF
supposed to support then ?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am not sure everyone is doing both way gating
as well, I tried a few INET to RF messages.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Surely you would favour the
mobiles.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It makes it really hard to impossible for
mobiles to get out.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Can you please look at this
situation.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Andrew VK4TEC</font></div>
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