Get off the list, Steve. I didn't tell you to do anything with anything [until just now]. My apologies to Stan and the list - I wont reward this with any more replies.<br><br>73<br>Phil - AD6NH<br><a href="http://www.aprsca.net">www.aprsca.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.aprs2.net">www.aprs2.net</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Steve Dimse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@dimse.com">steve@dimse.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
What is your time worth? The thousands of hours I've spent on findU are worth more than most sailboats!<br>
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Even if it was one hour at minimum wage, it is still MINE. You have absolutely no right to tell me what I should do with my belongings. The reason I spent my time creating something is immaterial, its value to others is immaterial, your reason for trying to impose your will upon me is immaterial. The created item is my property, and I have the right to do with it what I please!<br>
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Steve K4HG<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Phil - AD6NH wrote:<br>
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You're comparing a sailboat, worth tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, and which is used for a personal venture, to software that is written for the benefit of the community at large? Hardly a correlation worth even trying to understand.<br>
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Dale, et al., should be congratulated and praised for the work they have done, and let nothing stop that! I am merely mentioning the fact that when things are created for public venture, it would be considerate to think of the ramifications of disappearing one day without a plan. That shouldn't detract from the praise of the years of service, or rights to do with it what one pleases, but it does make it more difficult for the network to progress.<br>
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73<br>
Phil - AD6NH<br>
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Steve Dimse <<a href="mailto:steve@dimse.com" target="_blank">steve@dimse.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Pet Peeve Alert....<br>
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I really get mad when people say things like this. A computer program is the personal property of the author. He has, and should have, complete freedom to use it to provide a service, sell it, make it open source, or throw it in the trash.<br>
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Suppose you spend years building a beautiful sailboat, and once it is done you spend more years giving underprivileged kids sailing lessons. At some point you stop doing it. Maybe it is a health reason, maybe one of the parents yelled at you, maybe you can't afford the upkeep, or maybe you just don't like to sail any more. Does that mean you have some sort of obligation to allow others to take over the boat? Does it mean you have to explain your decision to stop doing something altruistic? Of course not.<br>
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Running a service for hams is a frustrating experience, to say the least. Maybe ten percent of users will take the time to thank you or to donate when you need it. Eighty-eight percent of hams use the service and appreciate it, but don't give a particular thought to the effort and expense behind it. The final two percent are the ones ruin it. You cannot please them, and they feel like you have some sort of obligation to bend to their wishes and needs. Dave Anderson, who was one of the brightest and most generous APRS sysops was driven out of APRS by that two percent. There are times when I get fed up, and I try to focus on the the 98%. One day it may not be enough...<br>
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Dale deserves nothing but the profuse thanks of all the ham operators who have benefited by his efforts over the years. He has no obligations to APRS, we have an obligation to him!<br>
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Steve K4HG<br>
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On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Phil - AD6NH wrote:<br>
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It's really too bad the wheel needs to be reinvented. I have appreciated the services that WXSVR has given us over the years. While I understand the time, money, and effort involved with maintaining a feature such as WXSVR, it sure would be nice for the folks on the development side to offer the platform for someone else to host if they feel they no longer want to support it. Was the code so proprietary that it could not be transferred to another server? I'm sure there are dozens of us if not more who would be more than willing to host WXSVR.<br>
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I mean no disrespect to any software developers, but if you're going to develop an application for Ham Radio, and software and systems are designed around that application, then I think an effort should be made to allow the service to continue after you are through. At any rate, what else can we do?<br>
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73<br>
Phil - AD6NH<br>
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Michael Francoeur <<a href="mailto:mfranc@myfairpoint.net" target="_blank">mfranc@myfairpoint.net</a>> wrote:<br>
One of the WXSVR features that I'll miss is the finger command to get the<br>
full NWS message. I was doing this for our state eoc and would like to be<br>
able to get the full NWS message from any APRS NWS trigger.<br>
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Mike/N1NAF<br>
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Stephen H. Smith wrote:<br>
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> Currently, I see that AE5PL is injecting APRS point objects and simple<br>
APRS<br>
> area objects for weather events into the APRS IS, but not the control<br>
codes<br>
> to "light up" the colored transparent "shape file" overlays.<br>
> Is there any plan to resume the WXSVR shape file service?<br>
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The alert zone problem is being worked on. Depending on your client<br>
they may be working now. Additional clients may start lighting up<br>
zones during the next day or so. Thank you Pete!<br>
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