<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Steve Jones wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Bob Bruninga wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">Huh? If he is successful, then he will leave it that way. And yes, it will work at that one crutch-digi, but you are setting him up for failure on his next trip!</SPAN></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sure, the user has used an incorrect path<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but let's correct his mistake, get him on the<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">air and then help him to understand what he<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">should be doing.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Really?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Who is gong to correct it?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>How?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Its working!</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV>Sorry Bob but I get the feeling you don't bother reading anything that disagrees with your views.</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Others have already commented on the Elmering aspect of amateur radio and how my method supports that.</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If somebody doesn't want to play APRS as you have deemed we should, then we ignore him.</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>This seems to come up time and time again in this forum. If somebody has a view of APRS that differs from you, then they're wrong.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>There seems to be two ways of doing APRS. Bob's way and the wrong way.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> Well, let me see here, Bob invented APRS, has worked at it for coming on two decades and to my continuing amazement keeps putting up with this kind of ill mannered abuse that anyone who disagrees with him pumps up with some regularity ... and yet he still keeps coming up with new ideas long after many of the flashes in the pan have fizzled ...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>... so my choice is between the guy who invented APRS and has a vision of how it should be and the other guy who has a new, conflicting vision, and has chosen an ad hominem attack instead of offering a counter argument ... or me the choice is easy!</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>Sorry for intruding on your forum. I just thought others might like to know how I use my digi's to educate the newcomers.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> You just don't get it ... by translating RELAY and WIDE, NOONE EVER SEES WHAT'S WRONG! That's not Elmering. That's avoiding the issue! Albeit well intentioned, but ... dare I say it? It's WRONG!</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>I feel sorry for the new guys who stumble upon one of your digi's and wonder why they're not getting in.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> NO, be happy they are gone if they leave and rejoice if they chose to find out it why it doesn't work and fix it. 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