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color=#0000ff size=2>As I mentioned in the CA-APRS list, my problem with this
particular bulletin is that it appears to come from the store itself - there's
no indication in the status text that it's posted by a club - and unlike 'for
sale' listings on your weekly net, this is advertising items *from the store*,
not from a club or an individual. Even if it is a club responsible for
posting the message, they're not advertising that the club has equipment -
they're saying that the store has it, and if that doesn't count as a commercial
advertisement, I don't know what does.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=937181121-19042007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not one to encourage blind adherence to the absolute
letter of the law to the exclusion of a bit of common sense (we've got enough
armchair lawyers around here already who would rather fight over interpretations
of oddly-worded, vaguely applicable regulations than do something productive
with the hobby) but this case would seem to fail the most basic test of whether
it appears to be consistent with the non-commercial spirit of amateur
radio.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=937181121-19042007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Scott</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=937181121-19042007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>N1VG</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org
[mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Thomas
t<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> TAPR APRS
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming
??<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Although I think that report has crossed the line, I would not want to
see ham radio stores or hamfests scared away from reporting their
positions. </DIV>
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<DIV>Even though I guess someone could call a simple position report of a
store (without text) a commercial message, I would like to see simple position
reports of stores/hamfests without an ad like message continue. </DIV>
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<DIV>Now I think we have two questions....</DIV>
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<DIV>1. What can a commercial entity/hamfest report, ie. can it post a
telephone number or operating hours? How about a
general description of what they carry?</DIV>
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<DIV>2. Aren't the digipeater/igate operators technically liable for
reporting an inappropriate message like spam (a commercial message)?</DIV>
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<DIV>I think someone well known and respected in APRS (nuge nuge WB4APR)
should post a general guideline for hamstores/hamfests...until then I
think it might be unfair to get overly upset with HRO, because the exact
location of that line between a public service position report and a position
report that crosses the line can sometimes be hard to determine. If a
position report is ok, why not a list of hours or a tel number so that the
position report is useful? Well if you have all that info, dont users
still need to know what the store carries in general to know if the store can
meet their needs? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The sooner we have generally accepted written guidelines the
better. There are plenty of stores/hamfests out in the world, do we wait
for each to accidentally cross the line or can we at least give people selling
things (stores & hamfests) a generally accepted set of guidelines to help
show them the way? </DIV>
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<DIV>73,</DIV>
<DIV>Tom-N2YTF<BR><BR><B><I>"Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2@aol.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I
just happened to see this message while monitoring raw packets on <BR>144.39
in Southern California
recently<BR><BR><BR><BR>W6HRO>APU25N,W6SCE-10*,qAS,K6KOZ:=3350.70N\11756.53WhHam
Radio Outlet <BR>Anaheim {UIV32N}<BR><BR>140003zCOME ON DOWN AND CHECK OUT
THE D-STAR ICOMS !<BR><BR>.<BR>Is this really appropriate content for
non-commercial amateur radio
<BR>operations?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR><BR>Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at)
aol.com<BR>EchoLink Node: 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]<BR>Home Page:
http://wa8lmf.com --OR-- http://wa8lmf.net<BR><BR>NEW! World Digipeater
Map<BR>http://wa8lmf.net/APRSmaps<BR><BR>JavAPRS Filter Port 14580
Guide<BR>http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm<BR><BR>"APRS 101"
Explanation of APRS Path Selection &
Digipeating<BR>http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths<BR><BR>Updated "Rev H" APRS
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs<BR>Symbols Set for UI-View,<BR>UIpoint and
APRSplus:<BR><BR>.
<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>aprssig
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