<div>You can run packet thru a voice repeater (check your TNC manual for AXhang paramater), but noise is a problem. There are also such things as bit regenerating repeaters.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/12/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen H. Smith</b> <<a href="mailto:wa8lmf2@aol.com">wa8lmf2@aol.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><span>Gudday </span></div>
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<div><span>I was driving along as you do and pondered this thought. </span></div>
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<div><span>The existing packet radio systems turn data into tones and then modulate up to vhf and then do the reverse. </span></div>
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<div><span>A digi comes back down to audio and the does the reverse. </span></div>
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<div><span>I asked myself why don't we just modulate at RF levels and use transponders as digis ?</span></div></blockquote><br><br></span>1) Probably the main reason is that when packet first appeared on the ham radio scene some 25 year ago, the common terminal devices were 110 baud ASCII Teletype machines, so there was no benefit in going much faster. 1200 baud wireline modems had well-established the Bell 202 1200/2200 audio tone pair. Modem chips for this standard were widely available and cheap when the first TNCs were designed. Further, it was far easier to just jam audio tones into the mic jack of existing FM transceivers. Direct FSK, as used on 9600 baud modes, requires cutting into the radio for direct DC-coupled access to the TX modulator and RX discriminator.
<br><br><br>Note that we DO use direct FSK on 9600 baud VHF-FM packet. And that 300-baud audio tones used through an SSB transceiver on HF packet do result in the net effect of direct FSK on the air. <br><br><br>2) The process of demodulating and then re-modulating the data at each digipeater allows the data stream to be completely regenerated free of noise. Passing through a linear transponder will just add the uplink noise (if the signal is weak) and the downlink noise (as heard by the next digi or user) to the desired signal. Not to mention that without demodulating down to baseband data, you can't inspect the data, process paths, decrement n-N, etc.
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<div><span>How does D-STARS fit into the APRS equation ?</span></div></span></blockquote><br>It's not APRS but it is purely digital no matter what you are sending (voice, data, etc). <span class="q"><br>
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<div><span>Anybody ever played with PulsePositionModulation on APRS ? Planes use it at 1Mb/s</span></div></blockquote><br><br></span>A single one-megabit/sec signal on two meters would occupy nearly the entire band!<span class="q">
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<div><span>They can send GPS co-ords in 112us </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div></blockquote><br><br></span>It's easy if you are not limited by the bandwidth of FM voice radios, and existing channel plans that expect to place more than one channel in the band.....<br><br><br>
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<div><span>Cheers </span></div>
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<div><span>Andy </span></div>
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