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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I think this is a great idea,
myself. All the really good information that is being discussed could
be permanently stored on the Wiki where others could draw upon it.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 73, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Fred,
WB4AEJ </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rmccoylist@blueantservices.com
href="mailto:rmccoylist@blueantservices.com">Ron McCoy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aprssig@lists.tapr.org
href="mailto:aprssig@lists.tapr.org">'TAPR APRS Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 31, 2006 6:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [aprssig] ARRL Web Site
Propagating Out-Of-Data APRS Into</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This sounds like the
perfect application for a Wiki. Scott, if you hosted an APRS Wiki, that would
be great. It could be seeded with information gathered from around the net and
each one of us could add/edit content in our own favorite
areas.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For that matter, this
could be done with an article(s) in Wikipedia, no hosting required. I just
checked and there’s already a short article there. Why don’t we just flesh
that out?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
KI4KKD<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">scott@opentrac.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">TAPR APRS Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [aprssig] ARRL Web Site
Propagating Out-Of-Data APRS Into</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Didn't someone offer
a domain (was it aprs.net?) as a single repository for official APRS
information? I'd really like to see that developed. No offense to
Bob, but the USNA site is hard to sort through, looks like a personal website
because of the ~ style URL, and I think some people still have trouble getting
there - at least to the .mil site that shows up first in
Google.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There really needs to
be a single, well-maintained, easy-to-digest source for up-to-date APRS
info. Try this sometime: Imagine you know nothing about APRS, then go to
Google and see how long it takes you to actually figure out what it's all
about today. The top two links get you DOS screen shots and ugly Java
maps - nothing to even hint at what's available in modern clients, or online
through OpenAPRS. In the top three links, the best description you get
is "<A href="http://www.cave.org/aprs/aprswhat.html">APRS is a shareware
program</A> that takes advantage of the availibility of inexpensive GPS
receivers to display the locations of moving stations on your PC. By
connecting your PC computer to any radio network via an innexpensive ($130)
radio data modem, then all stations can see the mo vements of all other
stations..." which is misleading and incomplete.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yeah, I know it means
a lot of work to build and maintain. I don't have time to do it myself -
I have a hard enough time keeping my own information up to date. But
I've made money from APRS, and I don't mind contributing money back to the
cause. I'm willing to chip in to pay for professional web design and
copy editing if that's what it takes. In fact, I've got my sister,
N6TME, doing some research on that now (at very reasonable family rates
=). She's a professional tech writer, and is coming into this with no
real prior knowledge of APRS, which gives her a perspective similar to most
new or prospective APRS users.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm also willing to
provide hosting if necessary. If anyone's interested in taking on the
visual design, or knows someone who's good at that, let me
know.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Scott</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">N1VG</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Herb
Gerhardt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
March 30, 2006 9:32 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">TAPR APRS Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [aprssig] ARRL Web Site
Propagating Out-Of-Data APRS Into</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That is one of the
unfortunate things about the internet and published books and
manuals.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since we switched
last year to the new Paradigm of APRS, there are lots of published books,
manuals and web sites that are no longer correct! It will take time to
fix all that but some of it will never get fixed and will mislead some of
the new folks for years to come.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IT IS OUR JOB TO
GET THE MESSAGE OUT. When you see a new station on your screen, check
it to make sure they are using the correct path. I do that in my area
and it not only fixes their problem in a hurry, but it also gives the new
user an opportunity to meet one of the old timers who is willing to help get
them going in the right direction. Remember the stations using the old
paths will only show up on your screen if they are in simplex range of your
station, so not only can you help them fix their problem, but you might also
make a new friend! If you don't jump in and help them out, they will
probably get discouraged real fast and we will probably loose them from our
hobby. Everyone needs to see things work when they first try out a new
thing.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, lets all do our
job and help steer new APRS users in the right
direction.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Herb, KB7UVC<BR>NW APRS Group, West Sound
Coordinator<BR>Our WEB Site: <A href="http://www.nwaprs.info/"
target=_blank>http://www.nwaprs.info</A><BR><BR> </SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org
[mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of</SPAN></B> Stephen H.
Smith<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
March 29, 2006 9:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">TAPR
APRS Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [aprssig] ARRL Web Site
Propagating Out-Of-Data APRS Into</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
just stumbled across this URL:<BR> <A
href="http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/aprs/pos-reporting.html">http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/aprs/pos-reporting.html</A><BR><BR><BR>It
is still advising newbies to use "RELAY,WIDE,WIDE" and advocating
operating on 145.79 ! ! Not to mention the link to the now-obsolete
.MIL domain version of Bob's website.<BR><BR>It also has this astonishing
statement:<BR> <BR> "A GATE station has a very wide coverage
area (500 miles or more)." after listing the distinction between RELAY and
WIDE, implying that GATES are some kind of superstation on two
meters.<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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