<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <div>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:37:42 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: "Curt, WE7U" <ARCHER@ESKIMO.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Reading APRS becons w/Dopplers?<BR><BR>On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Steve Noskowicz wrote:<BR>> I'm very familiar with the Doppler system as well as other DF<BR>> tools as I was professionally in it some time ago (and have kept<BR>> up on many of the new developments).<BR>> I also have two new ideas I want to try (after all these years of<BR>> thinking and not doing much)....snip...</div> <div> </div> <div><BR>Please let us know what you find out, if you're able. I've heard<BR>that doppler scanning systems can lock on with as little as 250ms of<BR>carrier. Is that true?<BR><BR>We want to do RDF'ing of transmitters in the 200MHz range by using<BR>coordinated APRS mobiles. ...snip... Curt, WE7U. </div>
<div>..............................................................................</div> <div> </div> <div>Curt,</div> <div>Well... There are many variables. The Doppler type system is not the "ideal" DFing system. Every DF tool has advantages and disadvantages.</div> <div> With a strong, direct signal (and enough bandwidth in the Doppler-tone filter), 250 ms sounds perhaps possible, but I'd have to see what mine will do. Mine looks like a pretty good design and it has a variable bandwidth band-pass filter for the Doppler-tone, but I don't know what the limits are. I have the main unit finished, am in final stages of assembling a dual-mode display (direct and Heads up - perhaps a bit over zealous, but I thought of it and it was easy) and the antenna system is next.</div> <div>I suppose I could run a test on the main unit to see if it has enough BW to capture in 250ms. In the narrow limit, I think mine has less than 1 Hz
of BW.</div> <div> </div> <div>While I know that the technology is here for a fully automatic Doppler and APRS system to do the triangulation and provide a best guess (weighted average) of the foxes Lat & Lon, (I have all the calculations already coded), the automation part is quite a sophisticated undertaking, so there are several intermediate solutions I'll be toying with. I'm an RF Engineer and while I do some pretty sophisticated SW, getting this all together is quite a job and needs a real software-head -- which I'm not. Not to mention the Maping and getting everything to talk via APRS.</div> <div>I want to get close to VK3ZPF's Vector-Fox system of plotting all the fixes on a local map.</div> <div><A href="http://www.qsl.net/vk3zpf/index.html">http://www.qsl.net/vk3zpf/index.html</A></div> <div> Doing the best guess for Lat/Lon is trivial after that. I couldn't get him to release the code or
even a copy of his application, over a year ago. He's got some pretty neat features such as automatic third harmonic tuning and the quieting signal strength extension.</div> <div>With multiple APRS mobiles, Dopplers and a command center with a map, you can get pretty good, but the guy with the map can easily be replaced with a little code...Well, maybe a lot..</div> <div> </div> <div>73, Steve, K9DCI</div> <div>P.S. I am aware of the APRS bearing reporting capability.</div> <div>P.P.S. I'm doing everything in VBA in Excel...Yup, Excel - Serial I/O and all.</div> <div>=====================================================</div></BLOCKQUOTE><p>__________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com