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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>Well, here
are my two cents worth on this topic.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=580450418-24012006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>From a ground
station, you can not use any of the aircraft frequencies unless you have a valid
license to operate on that frequency AND a Type Accepted Radio for that
frequency. The no license requirement is only applicable to aircraft
flying in the US and not ground support stations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=580450418-24012006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>I just went
through the process of obtaining a valid Aviation License for our local DEM
Office for use during SAR activities when we communicate with aircraft during
searches. Well, let me tell you, that process was a nightmare! Our
previous license expired about 6 years ago and the FCC had no records of that
license. Doing a license application Online which is what the FCC wants,
was impossible since you don't have all the regulations at your fingertips so
you can't pick the correct codes. All the web site tells you is you made
and error and where the error was made but does not give you any hints as to
what you needed to enter instead. It was as ridiculous as where
it asked for which county you were going to operate in and I entered Mason
County. Well that bounced, it turned out I could only enter Mason and not
Mason County.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=580450418-24012006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>I spent
several months trying to get this license including sending several emails and
making several phone calls to the FCC. I finally called and told the
person who was helping me that they could not hang up until the FCC site
accepted our application. I spent close to an hour on the phone with her
and told her to tie into my computer so she could see my screen. It was an
enlightening experience for both of us but we finally succeeded and we got our
license.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=580450418-24012006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>Now as far as
the frequencies we got licensed for goes, they are 122.90 and 123.10 MHz.
I tried to get us licensed for several other frequencies but that was
not permitted. Yes we have a type accepted aircraft radio in our
ComVan with those frequencies programmed into it. Now during an actual
search, I have found that the supporting aircrafts usually have many other
non-aviation commercial frequencies that your county is authorized to use
available for communications, so keep that in mind and ask them which frequency
they want you to utilize.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=580450418-24012006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=580450418-24012006>
<P><FONT size=2>Herb, KB7UVC<BR>Mason County ARES/RACES APRS
Coordinator<BR><BR>Mason County ComVan: <A
href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-1"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-1</A><BR>Mason County Relay
Truck: <A href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-2"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-2</A><BR>Mason County EOC: <A
href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-3"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-3</A><BR>Mason County Foot
Tracker: <A href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-6"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-6</A><BR><BR>Where I am walking:
<A href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-7"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-7</A><BR>Where I am driving: <A
href="http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-8"
target=_blank>http://map.findu.com/KB7UVC-8</A></FONT> </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org]<B>On
Behalf Of</B> Ken Brown<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:26
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [aprssig] VHF
Aircraft Channels<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The FCC eliminated
the aircraft radio license requirement for US-based aircraft flying
domestically some years ago, so very few owners have them. I do have a
license for my Cessna Cardinal since it technically is required to fly to
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73, ---Ken W2KB
N16019 W2KB-7<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces@lists.tapr.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>John
Habbinga<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> January 24,
2006 01:12<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">TAPR APRS Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [aprssig] VHF Aircraft
Channels</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Use of aviation radio frequencies
requires an FCC license. If you don't have a license you can probably
operate under the control of a licensed aviation service organization.
Usually one that operates at the airport the plane is kept at. You would
want to ask the plane's pilot what frequency to use. I know that 123.450
MHz is commonly used for informal chit-chat among
pilots.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 1/23/06, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Robert Bruninga</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:bruninga@usna.edu">bruninga@usna.edu</A> >
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hummh... We all have these radios that
tune the<BR>118-137 MHz AM aircraft band... But what channels
<BR>are available to communicate plane to plane or<BR>plane to
ground?<BR><BR>Our aerospace department has a plane they fly<BR>occasionally
for flight studies. What channel<BR>can I talk to them on to
coordinate some GPS <BR>experiements for example? (That isnt
too<BR>crowded)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>