[aprssig] E Coast 9600 baud backbone 15W radios.

[Andrew Rich]

Ok so it's done bob

Need a write up ? 

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Andrew Rich
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> On 29 May 2016, at 06:18, spam8mybrain <spam8mybrain at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> My ARES/RACES group does. We have Ubiquity equipment on towers all over the county that we use for HSMM network backbone, and backhaul for our linked voice and Dstar repeaters on the same towers. But it doesn't leave the county  (though we are in negotiations with the adjacent counties' ARES groups to expand the net).
> 
> Andrew, KA2DDO 
> Chester County  (PA) ARES/RACES
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Andrew Rich via aprssig <aprssig at tapr.org> 
> Date: 05/28/2016 3:59 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2 at aol.com>, TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org> 
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] E Coast 9600 baud backbone 15W radios. 
> 
> Why don't we have backbone radio boxes for ham radio
> 
> We have the height at digi sites mesh them 
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> > On 28 May 2016, at 03:42, Stephen H. Smith via aprssig <aprssig at tapr.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 5/27/2016 11:31 AM, Robert Bruninga via aprssig wrote:
> >> At Dayton I picked up a box of 25 UHF data radios for the E Coast 9600 baud
> >> backbone project.
> >> 
> >> Turns out, they are on 824 MHz.  But they have a 15 W driver stage that can
> >> give us 15 Watts in the 420 MHz amateur band if we can find a simple UHF
> >> transceiver with 1 Watt output.  ALl we have to do is bypass the final 45W PA
> >> and add a TR switch.
> >> 
> >> Then add a TNC node and we are done.
> >> 
> >> See the info on these radios at the bottom of this page:
> >> http://aprs.org/ec9600net.html
> >> 
> >> So, does anyone have ideas for the 1W UHX XCVR that we can split out the TX and
> >> RX separately so we can use these PA's?
> >> 
> >> The data radios include a GPS receiver, but we wont need thoes in this application.
> > 
> > 
> > These are the same French-Canadian-made radio modems (the manufacturer "DataRadio" is located in Montreal, Canada)I deployed for Southern California Gas Company nearly two decades ago.  DataRadio's main stock in trade is the modems themselves.  In your case, the modems are embedded inside a generic 800/900 MHz FM transceiver.  They were intended for full duplex operation with a mobile phone duplexer; hence the separate RX and TX antenna ports.  The duplexer in question was originally designed for very early trunk-mount 800-Mhz cellular "car phones" that existed before the Motorola "DynaTAC" hand-held cellphone caused the entire cell industry to migrate to hand-set phones.
> > 
> > In my case, for a 900 MHz mobile data network for dispatching gas company service workers over half the state of California, the modems were in external boxes similar to a KPC3 referred to as an "MRM" (mobile radio modem). They were mated to a standard Johnson 900 MHz FM SMR trunking transceiver programmed for a single channel.
> > 
> > The base stations, located on 13 of the highest mountaintops in Southern Cal, were 100-watt Johnson SMR trunking base stations modified for single-freq operation. In turn, they were mated to DataRadio's base station TNC-like device that they called a "BDLC" (base data link controller). These modems used a 4800-baud DPSK modulation scheme with proprietary higher-level link protocols layered on top.
> > 
> > Using these now-obsolete (road kill on the FCC's forced march to 2.5KHz deviation/12.5 KHz channels for ALL non-ham users) 800 MHz data radios for ham applications sounds like a insanely  inefficient kluge, unless you can move them as-is to the 900 MHz band and use them as-is.
> > 
> > By the time you come up with a separate low-level transceiving exciter, the necessary DPDT coax relays (required to insert the salvaged 400 MHz driver stage "PA" inline on TX and bypass it on RX) and the necessary low-pass filters on the "PA" output (the driver was never intended to be connected directly to a live antennna), and then repackage this sprawling mess in a reasonable cabinet, you will have spent far more than for a generic Chinese dual-band VHF/UHF transceiver ready to go.
> > 
> > [There are now 10W and 25W Chinese dual-band VHF/UHF FM transceivers ready-to-go available on eBay and elsewhere for $60-$90 NEW!]
> > 
> > These radios are targeted at dual-use markets (commercial land mobile -AND- amateur). They don't have "VFOs" like ham rigs -- just a very large number of fixed memory channels available that need to pre-programmed with PC-based software via serial-port contacts in the mic jack.  Just program one of these devices with a single UHF channel and you're good-to-go.  And they work anywhere from 400 to 500 MHz on UHF.
> > 
> > Some of the 10-watt units are small enough to fit into the 5" drive bay of a standard tower PC.  I'm about to package one of these into a Dell mini-tower to create a self-contained digipeater/igate/web-server "APRS Appliance" on normal 144.39 VHF APRS that needs just antenna, Internet and power.
> > 
> > The remaining challenge is whether the PC's +12 VDC line can supply enough current (about 2 amps) on TX to avoid another DC power supply.    [With the CD/DVD drive removed and an ultra-low power SSD drive replacing the original 3.5" spinning hard drive, I think I will have enough 12 VDC left over to power the radio.]
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