[aprssig] Xastir install issues

[Bill Diaz]

Curt,
  See below:

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>From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
>[mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Curt Mills
>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 02:05
>To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>Subject: RE: [aprssig] Xastir install issues
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Bill Diaz wrote:
>
>> In case you haven't noticed, UiView is free, or nearly so.  
>You are asked to
>> donate to a local cancer charity.  UiView is not going to 
>disappear any time
>> soon either, because of the API Roger provided, add-on's 
>continue to be
>> released.  Users don't have to compile the source, or enter 
>any command line
>> commands and search the web for libraries for their 
>particular flavor of
>> Linux. 
>
>There will come a point at which UI-View won't work as-is.  Either
>due to changes in the APRS spec which can't be accomodated with
>add-on's to UI-View, or due to the OS changing underneath it so that
>it will no longer install/run.  It's just a matter of time, although
>it could still be years down the road.

Do you use UiView?  Have you looked at the API Roger provided.  Until then,
your opinions do not have much value, IMO.  I have tried to install CygWin
and XAstir but due to "XAstir install issues" I am unable to form an
opinion.

>I can't with a clear conscience recommend that anyone run a program
>for which the author is SK, for which the source didn't get passed
>on.
 
And I can't in good conscience install and run a program whose promoters are
unwilling to address valid, user install issues publicly.

>
>> Why do you refuse to respond on the SIG to valid user complaints and
>> concerns?
>
>Because it's the wrong forum?

No, because you are not willing to address the "Xastir install issues" in
public.

>
>> Most people don't run Xastir because of the difficulty installing
>> it, yet you hype it as the best thing since sliced bread.

>No, most people don't run Xastir because they:
>a) Think it is a Linux program,
>b) Think it is too hard to install,

This appears to be a vaild assessement and is, after all, the topic of this
thread.

>c) Have been mislead into running a program that will cause them
>problems later when they can't keep running it (due to the developer
>being SK and no further updates being available), or

Stop changing the subject, stay on Topic.  Your attempts to attack other
applications is totally off topic.

>d) Never heard of it or have never investigated it.

Or
E> Don't have the time to learn linux or join yet another mailing list.

>Do I care if most people don't run Xastir?  No.  But I _am_ happy
>that at least one other person out there in the world likes it.
>After all, I didn't write it, and I don't own it.  The world owns it
>because it is under a GPL open-source license.  I certainly
>appreciate the original developer, Frank, for starting the whole
>project, and the hundreds of people along the way that use it,
>develop it, or contribute patches/feature requests/bug reports to
>the project.  All of these people keep the project thriving.  We
>couldn't do without any of them.

>What I want to do in the future is to add more SAR map and SAR
>management features to Xastir, add more map types and map features,
>and then start on a distributed Xastir where the cross-platform
>problems will be much easier to work.  It'll breathe new life into
>the project when we get to that stage, not that we need it now.

Curt, in case you forgot, the topic is "XAstir install issues".  Stop trying
to change the subject and address the issue under discussion.

>We have some of the best free maps available in the world, right
>here in the US of A.  I see no reason to depend on commercial
>mapping programs and map data, except in those instances where the
>most up-to-date maps MUST be available.  This hobby ain't one of
>those cases.  BTW:  We now have three SAR people on the Xastir
>development team.  That's a very good thing!

Free maps and up-to-date maps are not the issue, though the commerical map
are more up-to-date then most free maps.  However, the issue is "XAstir
install issues".  Please address these issues.

Bill KC9XG

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