[aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility

Tue Feb 22 07:51:40 EST 2005

Well, the problem for these guys is that we took away their ability to
send messages over a four state area which shouldn't be done on the east
coast anyway.  We simply don't have the RF space anymore...  I have
packets showing their history from quite a ways back when I was trying
to work with them before.

73s,
Eric KF4OTN

> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of A.J. 
> Farmer (AJ3U)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 01:17
> To: 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> 
> 
> I found the guy you are talking about.  You gave me enough 
> clues.  FindU is great. ;-)
> 
> I thought only on eHam did everything turn into a 
> code/no-code debate.  Your friend who made the initial 
> contact even offered to make a telephone contact with him to 
> discuss what was going on but he scoffed at that.  One thing 
> is for sure, some Hams are just grumpy and set in their ways 
> and that's the way it is. ;-)  
> 
> The solution to this is not to remove WIDEN-N from your area 
> and make you incompatible with everyone else.  I'm sorry you 
> have to deal with this guy, but don't throw the baby out with 
> the bathwater when trying to deal with him!  This just proves 
> that "fixing APRS" is not just a technical issue, but a 
> political and emotional one as well (as if we didn't already 
> know that).
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
> A.J.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
> On Behalf Of Eric Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:29 AM
> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> 
> Well, unfortunately there are people out there that you just 
> can't work with and ruin it for everyone else.
> 
> Case in point.  Monday evening a friend of mine was trying to 
> help a ham out that was using a bad path 
> (RELAY,WIDE,WIDE,WIDE).  As so many people up here say 
> "education is the best way and will always work" he attempted 
> to contact the station and ask him to use a better path and 
> explain why it is a better path.  This conversation was not 
> taken lightly and I actually have a copy of the conversation 
> off of findU to prove how much of a LID this guy really is.
> 
> His reasons for not updating his path to something more appropriate???
> 
> 1) He was taking advice from a No-Code Technician
> 2) He felt like if he ignored the No-Code long enough, then 
> the no-code would go away.
> 3) He had possessed his Amateur Radio License longer than the no-code.
> 4) He had more history in APRS.
> 
> So much for education.  I'm really trying to be nice by not 
> posting the conversation on the SIG because honestly I was a 
> little taken back by this guy's reaction and attitude.  The 
> "no-code" that I'm referring to is probably the nicest guy 
> one would ever meet and certainly attempted to provide this 
> guy with information, website, and suggestion.  He was never 
> rude once.  Unbelievable.
> 
> 73s,
> Eric KF4OTN
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> > [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of A.J. Farmer 
> > (AJ3U)
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 15:56
> > To: 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> > 
> > 
> > >UNTIL I started to see people running W2-2,W2-2,W2-2.
> > 
> > That begs the question, is that path intentional or do they 
> just not 
> > know any better?  Either they are totally confused with the 
> changes or 
> > they are trying to purposefully cause problems.
> > 
> > Either way, this seems like a case of some bad apples in 
> the bunch and 
> > should not represent the majority of APRS users.
> > Have you made any contact with these people?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> > [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
> > On Behalf Of Christensen, Eric
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:38 PM
> > To: David Odom; TAPR APRS Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> > 
> > Dave,
> > If everyone out there was as curious and you and your son, then we 
> > wouldn't be having this discussion right now.  I agree that 
> RELAY,W2-2 
> > is an excellent path for everywhere (except maybe Los Angeles).  I 
> > would support digipeaters utilizing a W2-2 in their UIDIGI 
> to support 
> > one hop UNTIL I started to see people running W2-2,W2-2,W2-2.
> > 
> > Just out of curiosity, what kind of tracker do you use?
> > 
> > 73s,
> > Eric KF4OTN
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> > > [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of David Odom
> > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 15:30
> > > To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Eric,
> > > 
> > > I follow the Sig but say very little.  I disagree with you on this
> > > thread and feel I should speak up for those of us who 
> travel a lot.
> > > I am not a 
> > > trucker but my son, KG4RIP and I travel a lot using APRS to 
> > keep our
> > > families informed.  In the past 2 years I have been in 27 
> different 
> > > states on two trips.  It makes no sense to us,  who cross 
> a state in
> > > 2 hours, and 
> > > maybe cross 3 or 4 in a day, to not provide a universal path 
> > > for travelers. 
> > > I used relay,w2-2 on my entire 27 state trip and was posted 
> > > on FindU when in 
> > > range of a digi.  There were some gaps for sure I10 in parts 
> > > of Texas and 
> > > I80 through Nebraska don't have much digi coverage but it 
> > > enough to give my 
> > > family a rough estimate where I am and that I am ok.
> > > 
> > > I believe we will lose a lot of the utility and interest 
> in APRS if
> > > we abandon the ability of travelers to us a single universal
> > > path.  Especially 
> > > those of us who travel a lot without copilots to operate 
> the radios.
> > > 
> > > Dave
> > > W4VOR
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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